This seems to be the main point of contention in this article. I am going to make a new section for people with mixed ancestry, Yes this article should be divided in two. The umbrella term Roma should include Sinti', Romanichal, Euro Roma groups etc. It's quite easy to prove, simply ask the two peoples that are fighting over it. Yul Brinner. And I will revert it back, because unlike you, who will move on to another subject when you are fancy, I will still be here on List of Roma People, and if you go to Roma People and scroll down, to the "See Also", you will see that the list includes Mixed People. Some of these names should definitely be restored to the main list, but only with sources that actually say the people involved are "Roma" or "Gypsy", not "I think my great-great, etc. I am sorry that you can't except that many people don't fall into the Black & White, Light & Dark, This or That, fallacy. Try it this way- If someone is on the list because they, themselves, stated they are Romany, then leave their name until you can prove the celebrity is lying. Besides Nikita Denise is Roma, She grew up in a Roma community. !,So don't act as if Europe's shit don't stink. Yul Brynner won a best actor Oscar for playing King Mongkut of Siam in the 1956 film version of the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical The King and I. It's not like she claimed it was her cousin 5 generations back and 10 times removed. Brynner was married four times, and his first three marriages had ended in divorce. Listen to The Gypsy and I by Yul Brinner & Alesha Dimitrievitch on Apple Music. The sources state Roma ancestry Or do you want to track who knocked up who in someones family tree? Ethnic Roma or famous people with alleged Roma ancestry? You tell me my opinions are similar to the NAZI'S? Czech. There are hundreds of references as to Yul Brynner Freddy Prinze by his own affirmations is Roma Since you have quite appropriately distinguished Irish Travellers from Roma in many places, does this information not preclude his name from appearing here? Naimly, the father of Brynner's mother Marousia Dimitrievna Blagovidova was a Russian Jew and her mother was Russian Roma. (1957) Album: "The Gypsy and I: Yul Brynner Sings Gypsy Songs" (Vanguard Records) After his lung cancer had progressed to the terminal stage, Brynner taped a public service message urging others to quit smoking. Appeared in several movies, singing Russia folk songs. He himself claimed to be of Roma descent, Bullcrap- Or how about Madonna? On 10th October 1985, Brynner died of lung cancer in New York City the same day a… A fact that had to be proven to the council in London in order to establish the Gypsy campsite there. To the people saying that an individual celebrity stating they are Romany is not enough proof, I ask you, what is your ethnicity, and can you prove it? Format: 12" LP (33 RPM). Sign in to check out Check out as guest . What is believed is not always the truth. You sure you don't "make whoopi" with them? In September 1983, he found a lump on his vocal cords. That is a lie and you know it. She claims her great grandmother was Romany. http://www.mtv.com/bands/b/branch_michelle/news_feature_100601/index.jhtml, Sylvia Browne (I met her and she IS Roma) http://www.radoc.net/RADOC-23-ADOPT.htm I gave references to Ava Gardner, Freddy Prinze. Mad Jack 22:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC), Completely unsourced? so leave it alone, this section is for "People with Roma Heritage", to differentiate from "Roma People". Jews visiting this site would be flipping out! Free shipping . PEOPLE PLEASE!. This is the reliable source you wanted :) I cant help anymore, I dont know his sources, there in the book, I cannot verify whose grandpa made whoopi with whom 100 years ago, I was not there and cant verify it happened because I had no pencil and paper to actually record grandpa making whoopi with whom,and no photo for verification. Well the same thing is going on right now, only there are no Roma to defend their own community on wikipedia. His acting career is associated with just two roles — the King of Siam (in the King and I) and Ramses II (in Ten Commandments). Ok Im going to stop this, it is sounding too much like a personal attack. Until you educate yourself on genetics, stop editing the page. I observe the tendency for lighter skin in the Roma the farther West into Europe and America they go. and even being 1/4 black, alot of times they are still identified as "Black" by others so your one drop rule, only counts when they look white, its bullcrap. Yul Brynner Gypsy And I (1979 VG+/EX UK Vanguard LP - 12 Track Reissue (vsd79256) Sleeve Has Sticker Tear/residue On Front, It is claimed in many sources that Hitler had jewish origins. This list is for Roma, Sinti and MIXED PEOPLE- GO TO Roma People scroll down and it says ROMA, SINTI AND MIXED PEOPLE.......MIXED PEOPLE!!!!!!! --Guzman ramirez 21:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC), For Guzma Ramiaraz: And where I get my information from is my family.Should I have an outside source to verify that I am of Romani Decsent? It would not be tenable. There are people from everywhere, even from Bulgaria in Oklahoma. You are trying to exclude people for not being 100% Gypsy. The Roma are one tribe the Sinti are also a tribe, Sinti are not Roma. Picasso was quite proud of it. Either he/she should stop or should be banned. I hope he may be added to the list too. Surely given that amongst the Romani there is a dispute as to which elements are trully so there needs to be an exact definition not only based on proportion of ancestry but also on which actual ancestry counts at Romani. They must be taken seriously as an ethnic group, and not be victimized by western ignorance and romanticism. Even the Pope acknowledged her Romany heritage. Well it is to late for that, and all Famous People of Roma and Sinti ancestry will be put back on the list even after it has been vandalized many times. You seem to know everything, tell me more about me, Im sure you know more than me :) Robbyfoxxxx 20:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC). Free shipping . $41.00 2 bids + $5.00 shipping . Gypsy King 10 3. This list is disputed, it should be structured on facts on on basis of guesses about someones ancestry. Oh, and sources that state a person is of Roma descent does constitute being on the list of "People with Roma Heritage.". While Brynner was still young, their father left them under the care of their mother. Yul Brynner, original name Yuliy Borisovich Bryner, (born July 11, 1920?, Vladivostok, Far Eastern Republic [Russia]—died October 10, 1985, New York, New York, U.S.), Russian-born stage and film actor who was known primarily for his role as the Siamese monarch in more than 4,000 performances in the Broadway musical The King and I between 1951 and 1985 and in the 1956 film version. Beyond his distinctive appearance and distinguished acting career was a life of intrigue and concocted tales surrounding his youth. Besides Django Reinhardt is not Roma he is Sinti. --Burgas00 11:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC), I think the bbc would have mentioned Picasso being a Roma on this article on "Picasso and the Gypsies": http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A6864285 Born in Russia, Yul Brynner claimed to have Romany heritage, and even released albums singing Gypsy music. You were probably naive enough to believe it and consider yourself Gypsy or something and have developed an interest in this group... That is why you are including your American Pop-idols in the list of ethnic Roma. He is Rom. There are people who are Roma, Sinti or mixed Roma and Sinti; then there are people who have ancestry from these families and how many of these there are depends on how far you go back - most Europeans have somewhere in their past at least 1 Sinti or Roma ancestor. On the cast list of The Magnificent Seven (1960), you will find several names that doubtless you know well: Charles Bronson, Steve McQueen, and Yul Brynner. Condition: Used. You act as if the world is Black and White.They are mixed Roma Yul Brynner Hugging a Gypsy Boy, On Set of The Return of the Seven Premium Photographic Print. One fairly common one is when we take a person with a Jewish sounding name, point out all the ways in which they appear Jewish, and then twist it around by pointing out they're not Jews. In any case, Roma ethnicity is not defined by having a Gypsy ancestor but by being ethnic Roma: having recieved Roma culture and having at least one Roma parent.I guess it is similar to the definition of being jewish. Imagine someone started adding random people into the article because "his great grandfather was supposedly half jewish". Even the name, Yul: as … https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/yul-brynner-3242.php http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume119issue2_more.php?id=591_0_26_0_C The page on David Essex states that he is the grandson of an Irish Traveller. And I've worked with Dr.Hancock. There seem to be a large number of people listed on this page that have dubious at best connections to possibly be Rom. User "Robifoxxx"'s classification of who is Roma is eerily close to what it was in Nazi Germany (except in Nazi Germany probably provided proper resaerch and sources!!!!) http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/ReviewsSwing.html, Edyta Gorniak Look at the earlier citings on this discussion page, Come on now, Im not going to repeat every citing to every single person who asks for it. No, but I think that acknowledgement is positive when people have mixed ancestry. or an Indian from India? I apologize. http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm, George Soros-Did'nt add, Hungarian, gives to Gypsy charities, will look further, Mother Teresa His fluency in Russian and French enabled him to build up a following with the Czarist expatriates in Paris. As for people adding whatever blood they want to in their ethnic background, you are simplifying a complex issue, you think a 1/2 black and 1/2 white child has to be one or another, what about 1/4 black and 3/4 white, they are still a quarter black! You have no business telling them they are wrong about their own heritage if you cannot prove they are a liar. I said Im Gypsy? ^^^ARE YOU RETARDED?? I personaly have a issue with Bill Clinton being listed here based on Ian Hancocks claims that he was Romani, it is highly disputable. The latest dressing room to get a Yul-a-haul is at the Warner Theater, where "The King and I" starts previews Wednesday night, 30 years after Brynner and the King of Siam become associated. Adding to your cart. There is also links suggesting Bill Clinton having Romany ancestry. A notable one, at that, as was her grandfather. Naimly, the father of Brynner's mother Marousia Dimitrievna Blagovidova was a Russian Jew and her mother was Russian Roma. But can we do the reverse? His daughter Victoria put together Yul Brynner: Photographer (ISBN 0-8109-3144-3), a collection of his photographs of family, friends, and fellow actors, as well as those he took while serving as a UN special consultant on refugees. Some of the people listed, like Bob Hoskins, are actually Roma, some just have distant ancestry (and some are not at all Roma), and we don't have lists by distant ancestry, as per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. All I have asked you is not to vandalise the talk page. Btw I think the rule is "assume good faith". That would seem a bit odd. Sintis are considered one of the Roma subgroups. Robbyfoxxxx 00:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC), The lie is that I would need outside verification to prove I am of Roma Ancestry if an article was written about me. $85.00. I know a girl whose American Dad is 1/4 Cherokee, her Mother is 1/2 White Australian 1/2 Indian from India. Bullcrap, this list is for people of Roma heritage, The list of Roma people is different. "Robifoxxx's classification is eerily close to what it was in Nazi Germany (except in Nazi Germany probably provided proper research and sources!!!! http://www.kimia-sains.com/articles/Romany, Eva and Zsa Zsa Gabor- They where on the list before I came began coming here. Do you imagine Hitler on the list of famous Jewish people? There should also be some sources which prove this is true. And Yul Brynner's son can argue it till he's blue in the face, Brynner was, indeed part Roma on his mother's side. Karl Malden's father was not Roma, his father was Serb and his mother was Here ya go, a published book by a university that states that Mother Teresa, Freddy Prinze, etc. >To add to the above It is clear that none of us harbour racist intentions. Rita Hayworth was mixed English and Spanish (I don't know about Roma). Select Your Cookie Preferences. $55.00 . "...(its main character, played by Freddy Prinze, claimed Romani descent himself)." She looks White but she went to PowWows, and She also would eat Curry with her Indian Grandma for India. was a Gypsy". There is sources I have put them up,Just because someone has a Roma Ancestor DOES qualify them for this list,It does'nt matter if they are part of the culture or not.They still have Roma Blood, so stop erasing people, I've noticed you trolling on this and the Roma People link.I gonna have you banned if you continue to deface this list Robbyfoxxxx 20:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC). Or how about those wierd protestant sects you have in the US: The Messianic Christians?? http://www.kipaddotta.com/rita-hayworth.html, Bob Hoskins Yul Brynner (Sahalin, 11. srpnja 1920.- New York, 10. listopada 1985. http://www.pirkadat.org/gypsy_spirit2004, Nikita Denise She is Native American, White, and Indian-all at the same time. A Treasury of Great Recipes Vincent Price & Mary Price First 1st Edition 1965. (But here's the thing: Freddie Prinze's father was actually German, and his mother was Puerto Rican!) Not all Gypsies are Roma. He has done a variety of roles in films and theatre in his career. YUL BRYNNER. Imagine someone started adding random people into the article because "his great grandfather was supposedly half jewish". http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm, Rita Hayworth Jews visiting this site would be flipping out! You would rather wish to see Gypsies as a bad examples. A Note on Yul Brynner’s Name viii Introduction 1 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoskins, August Krogh All orders are processed and shipped within 2 business days of receipt. Dietrich and Crawford 42 6. Roma are an ethnicity, a culture and a race of people who have existed in Europe and the Middle East for hundreds of years. Famous Roma must be REAL Roma? I am not sure about Ibrahimović but i think that he said in an interwiew that his father is Bosniak. His father, a mining engineer, also abandoned his family to financial peril when Yul was young. So stop erasing people of Mixed Ancestry because you can't stand having people organized into one file....sounds a little like Nazi classifications, doesnt it GUZMAN?Robbyfoxxxx 22:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC), Robbyfoxxxx,please stop being so emotional. This excellent biography of Yul Brynner, written by his son Rock, is a must-read for all of the King's many fans. There is evidence I provided but just because you don't accept it, it does'nt mean that you are the person who deems who is Gypsy, mixed or not, You Going to do this forever you twit? I dont even say I am of Roma Ancestry to people,I am in the Midwest-USA and people never even heard of Gypsies(Roma), So my childrens children ...Will probably never know that they are of Roma Ancestry unless they are told they are. Yul Brinner. http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1902806190, Sandro Therefore I will keep putting these people on the list. I'm erasing her. So it should'nt be surprising that many different people have Roma blood.Here in Oklahoma I thought I was alone in the fact that I knew I was part Romany and no one else, I was mistaken. I dont know...I am of Roma descent and I cannot document that I am. October 19, 2008. Romanichal are a excillent example of mixed ancestry Roma and if we are including my people (Romanichal and their American decendants) as Roma and not wannabee fakes (im no fake and British Romany folks are persicuted everyday for being real gypsies not for pretending) than lets stop eliminating Rom and Romni who are of mixed ancestry from other Tribes as that is both inconsistent and flies in the face of the right of self determination and the dignity to express our cultural identity without outside groups dictating to us that many Roma Rights groups are demanding for Roma everywhere. As for the "Gypsy and Road Travellers Federation" I do not know this organization and I am sure that 95% of Roma in Europe have never heard of it. Even 1/4 blood Gypsies I know have Gypsy names and are in contact with their family and culture. He learned English to go along with his ability to speak Russian, French, Japanese and Hungarian. In any case you are clearly against the absolute majority in this discussion, so your edits to the article are considered vandalism from now on.--Burgas00 08:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC), "There are no Gypsies in Oklahoma" Have you been to Oklahoma before? Then why the term Roma AND Sinti, as if they are two different groups? Michael Caine stated it. Famous Roma must be REAL Roma not people who claim (or of whom it is claimed) they have Gypsy ancestry. Housed in an 8,000 square foot warehouse that currently holds over 2 million records, Craig and his talented, dedicated staff serve music lovers in more than 60 countries. there are blond blue eyed white people with black ancestry here in America, You fools,You think you can put people into your little file. Bisexual Russian-born actor Yul Brynner (1920-1985) began his career playing guitar and singing gypsy songs among Russian immigrants in Parisian nightclubs. She doesn't have to state she is Romany, anyone who has a grasp on how DNA is passed down automatically KNOWS this makes her 1/8th. I also know that there are similiar Roma communities ,like those in Eastern Europe ,in Spain and France where i lived for a while. !Maybe she likes coffee with her cream, you know-whoopi:)Robbyfoxxxx 15:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC), By the way, Robbyfoxxx, I am not Bulgarian, I am Armenian.--Burgas00 15:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC), Actually we are unfortunately called half breeds by our own. So leave it alone, or I will be forced to notify the administrators. It was a requirement, or else they would have denied approval for the campsite. Rita Hayworth's father and grandfather were wealthy Gitanos well known in New York. Yul Brynner Hugging a Gypsy Boy, On Set of The Return of the Seven Premium Photographic Print at Art.co.uk. https://www.geni.com/people/Yul-Brynner/6000000018330591857 Yul was a hidden Jew, right? (Sarcasm). You dont care? It would not be tenable. I can tell you right now, my aunt was at the opening of London's largest camp site. But also their is dark skinned Roma, that don't speak any words of Indic Origin at all. Well this guy has a point. 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